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Post by theoptimist on Mar 27, 2015 14:50:00 GMT
Many are complaining about Bromley's home form this season. I have a theory. I have been to all of Bromley's games this season bar two away games and when we are away the support is amazing. The fans are really behind the players through thick and thin and there is very little moaning about the game, just happy encouragement. Even when we lose. At home games, there is A LOT of moaning. Some fans moan about every little missed pass or bad cross and shouts out to the players - 'get him off', 'this is rubbish'. Is that really going to make a player play better? If a player makes a silly mistake or is having a bad game, they know it. They don't need to be told by the fans and they CAN hear us - it is not going to make them play better. Even at 4-0 up against Farnborough people were moaning because we weren't playing well - we can't be any higher than top!
Let's get behind our players at home games as well as we do it at away games and hopefully we can encourage them to get the points at home! Come on Bromley!! |
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Post by johndeerstalker on Mar 29, 2015 20:50:56 GMT
Good post. I reflected just before the Staines match how far more enjoyable away games are. The away "clan" are probably seen as a clique by those who only go to home matches, but we can see the season from a far better perspective. If you were in the odd position of only being an "away supporter" we would be having a great season.
I too become fed up with moaning from certain sections of home support about how "poor" some players seem to be and how much better "so and so" was in 1974.
Let's get behind the team. Yesterday was disappointing BUT WE DID NOT LOSE. Put things into perspective. This is only non-league football- reality dictates we are not going to go much higher. If we don't go up, so be it. There are far more important things in life to worry about.
See you all Sat (and Monday)
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Post by rich on Mar 29, 2015 22:13:49 GMT
wise words both of you
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Post by mikeyh on Mar 31, 2015 9:59:37 GMT
its clear that we only make noise when kicking to terrace end as its easier to stand as a group ,seats is a lottery as to who you get to stand with ,need to rectify this in remaining home games ,maybe more noise encouragment & positivity will drown out moans & make it more like a big away game .Still have hope .
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SWOOP LIKE A RAVEN, IN THERE...
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Post by merchandiser on Mar 31, 2015 16:24:06 GMT
I agree mikeyh about the benches end. It's also full of young kids behind that goal and I for one will not sit amongst them, I'm getting old you see.
But I think it all started with allowing kids to get in free and this affects the atmosphere. This Saturday we must take our positions we had in the past and shout our team to victory.I was on the players coach last Saturday, MG said to me he needs us to make as much noise as possible on Saturday and drown out those moaners and groaners as well,the players do hear them and it affects their confidence. That's why we play so well away and the players enjoy our support.
This is our clubs biggest match in recent history and we need to make home advantage count. As mikeyh said we must make it more like a big away game and SERIOUSLY we must all stand together like we do for away matches.
COME ON YOU RAVENS LETS DO IT FOR OUR TEAM, IN THERE..............
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Post by simples on Mar 31, 2015 22:29:23 GMT
Agreed Lord Raven, anything we can do to lift the team on this momentous day is worth trying. Personally I usually go direct to the ground formerly known as the fortress stadium before home games, however I am prepared to sacrifice this routine for the good of the club by going to Spoons nice and early for a few extra pre match drinks plus some grub in order to as closely as possible recreate the away match day experience. It won't be easy of course but this is what I'm prepared to do for the club. Once at the game, the more fans that we can get to congregate behind the goal the better. Let's make some noise for the boys.
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Post by zebra on Apr 1, 2015 8:53:46 GMT
I agree mikeyh about the benches end. It's also full of young kids behind that goal and I for one will not sit amongst them, I'm getting old you see. But I think it all started with allowing kids to get in free and this affects the atmosphere. This Saturday we must take our positions we had in the past and shout our team to victory.I was on the players coach last Saturday, MG said to me he needs us to make as much noise as possible on Saturday and drown out those moaners and groaners as well,the players do hear them and it affects their confidence. That's why we play so well away and the players enjoy our support. This is our clubs biggest match in recent history and we need to make home advantage count. As mikeyh said we must make it more like a big away game and SERIOUSLY we must all stand together like we do for away matches. COME ON YOU RAVENS LETS DO IT FOR OUR TEAM, IN THERE.............. What is needed is for our 'traffic wardens' (stewards) to be advised by the club to apply bank holiday rules to the yellow lines behind the benches end goal so that we can indeed all stand together, make a lot of noise and roar the lads to victory..... Come on you Lillywhites..... |
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Post by AlanPep on Apr 1, 2015 10:06:42 GMT
Could not agree more Zebra / Merchandiser, time for some home rule, EVERYONE behind the goal and EVERYONE on their feet (regardless of end) on Saturday, time to make some proper noise for our boys . . . . c'mon you BROM
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Post by johndeerstalker on Apr 1, 2015 14:03:57 GMT
I'll be re-creating the away game atmosphere at the Railway in West Wickham- excellent pint or three of Harveys. The real thing is, of course , next Monday. Let's not lose track of this- this is just as vital
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Post by CB on Apr 1, 2015 15:37:56 GMT
While I agree with the gist of these posts, and will be joining Mr Simples in Spoons ahead of the match, I have to say this debate about home vs. away atmosphere has been done to death this season. We keep on going round in circles...
For MG to be suggesting that our current lack of form stems from a few whingers in the crowd is stunningly short-sighted, and smacks of the sort of excuses regularly rolled out a few seasons ago. It would be more accurate to ascribe the situation to the folly of jumping into bed with a man with more front than Wigan pier, yet fewer pound notes than Vanilla Ice (a wigga, geddit?) However, pointing out that fact would be 'negative' and therefore verboten.
As for the noise, we can't win... The HLF were loud - and people on here continually attacked them for using naughty words and spoiling the atmosphere with their singing. Ashley Reading issued a 'rallying cry' ahead of the Dartford game; the lads responded, and were promptly reprimanded for setting off flares. It seems modern football wants 'atmosphere' - but only on its own safe, overly-policed terms.
The Club could ensure atmosphere on Saturday, as someone said, by relaxing their unnecessary rules governing standing areas and permitting drinking behind the goal - both of which would be entirely legal. Will it do so? Obviously not. But hey - we go again, eh chaps, my Club right or wrong and if the management self-destructs in spectacular style it's clearly because insufficient numbers of people shouted 'Come on Bromley!' loudly enough. That makes sense. Never mind the very valid argument that promotion is now unaffordable as well as unsustainable and therefore very possibly not what the Club wants or is in its long-term interest.
Don't get me wrong: I'm looking forward to Saturday, will do my bit and have never been a terrace whinger. But we need to move on from the infantilism of unconditional support and start thinking critically if we're ever going to break the boom and bust cycle.
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Post by richrapid on Apr 1, 2015 18:52:05 GMT
Great post Captain.
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Post by crouchm on Apr 2, 2015 9:10:57 GMT
Aye aye Capt.
Saturday will soon be upon us. Hopefully a bumper crowd.
I would put out
Alan. Ugo. Jack Rob Joe
Danny
PJD Ali Recce Les
Moses. 4 1 4 1. Don't think we can match the wood with brute force. Got to keep it on the deck and out football them. Which I think is our best bet for victory.
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Post by theoptimist on Apr 2, 2015 9:58:49 GMT
I agree it is difficult to get the right balance but let's focus on the players rather than the people running the club or the management. I would not be surprised if the players have mentioned it to MG - the whingers are getting loader and it MUST be difficult to play when people shout for you to get off if you misplace a pass. Not everyone wants to sing and cheer the players on but then just remain quiet, don't make it worse by pointing out something that the players already know. Those who want to sing, sing (with or without alcohol...) and those who don't, don't - but don't keep moaning at players who are doing their best on the day. Come on Bromley!
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Post by CB on Apr 2, 2015 11:33:59 GMT
I think this was mentioned above, but one very simple practical thing we could do on Saturday is to congregate at the same end (the terrace) and occupy it throughout the game. No changing ends. I know it goes against tradition, but the tradition in recent seasons has been a moribund atmosphere at HL. Maybe it's a tradition which needs to change?
Doesn't mean we boot out opposition supporters from standing their as well, of course - should they wish to!
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Post by AlanPep on Apr 2, 2015 12:31:37 GMT
I wonder if MG etc would have the same view about the positivity of support if one of the management team stood with us for a half behind the goal, home or away. I suspect some of the negativity comes from those who prefer to stand closer to the management dugout, and whilst they are absolutely as entitled to their opinion as everyone else, my personal view is that those of us behind the goal are pretty positive and supportive. We are at the end we attack so generally if players are near us and can hear us it's because we are playing in the 'correct' half of the pitch. Capt I'm not in favour of one end I'm afraid, non-league football to me means I can swap ends and see first hand our goals go flying in, I'm very happy though to stand, shout and encourage with the best of us.
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Post by pjw on Apr 2, 2015 14:33:48 GMT
Without being negative, as that will most probably cost us promotion, to blame our dreadful home form on a few moaners is complete genius, we are bad at home because of a few moaners, if only we had come up with this years ago, where would we be now, premier league? I travel to a lot of the away games and to be honest have never heard away opposing teams fans moan at there own team, which begs the question why are we not bottom and everyone else in a scrape for the league title as the only reason we lose at home is because of a few fans. We should just be honest with ourselves, we have dropped points through bad play, that's why people moan at matches (I don't by the way). we are doing really well this year and in with a shot at the title because there is not one outstanding team in the league this year compared with most of the recent seasons. If you play football at any level you get moaned at, I can not believe people on here think we are different than any other team in the world in that respect, its a useless excuse. Now that will bring on the moans, how will I cope?
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Post by armchairraven on Apr 2, 2015 16:23:48 GMT
Benches first half, terrace second.
Stumbling down the terrace to celebrate a winning goal is as good as it gets at HL.
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Post by bromlee on Apr 3, 2015 3:10:24 GMT
So as a steward I can answer a few of these questions.
The alcohol zones we can move depending on crowd size but only along the one side of the ground. Bromley Council will not allow us to have alcohol behind either goal. As your aware at Ebbsfleet you can drink around the ground, that's a council not a club decision. I would love to be able to say to you all that you can go behind the goal at the bench end, but we have to legally keep the walkway clear for fire regs as in an emergency there are seats and benches in the way should we have to evacuate the ground, which as you know there are none at the terrace end,Unlikely I know but we have to adhere to the rules) Most if not all of you on here know that I am a fan first and a steward second,, but the club can't breath any rules or regs and risk a fine.
Onto Saturday, we are owed a home performance and I think we will get it, you know I will be celebrating as hard as you all will be when we beat them.I hope you understand a little more the restrictions we have to work under. #WeAreBromley
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Post by CB on Apr 3, 2015 10:23:08 GMT
Interesting stuff, Bromlee.
Concerning the drinking restrictions, I have no doubt whatsoever that you believe what you say is true. It may well be so; I have certainly heard it repeated frequently. However, if 'The Reading Affair' (also known as 'The Reading Debacle', 'The Reading Snafu', 'The Reading Omnishambles', etc) has taught me anything it's that all football clubs (certainly not just us) are prepared to lie to supporters - and stewards - as and when it suits them. (I know, I'm a slow learner...) So, being a curious soul (some would say very curious) with too much time on my hands I will seek to verify what you say for myself. If it turns out you're right I will be the first to say so.
As for your points re: standing areas, that emphasises why if we want to create an away-type atmosphere at big home games (like tomorrow), the easiest way to do so would be to occupy the terrace for the duration of the game. Not saying anybody should and I fully appreciate that most people won't want to but that's really the only solution as your post indicates.
For the record, I also think we'll win tomorrow. And who knows, I might even be persuaded to raise a glass or two in celebration when we do. #WeAreBromley, as you say.
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