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Post by Mash on Feb 18, 2015 0:53:05 GMT
After the Dartford game earlier this season - the last time I saw all of them turn up in numbers like today I said the following
The youngsters:
The only negative was some of the scenes behind the goal, I suspect some of the Bromley youths took brazen advantage of the U16s for free and acted up in accordance. I'm not sure this is a policy the club should ever adopt for 'big' games again. If they are 'big' enough to throw stuff on the pitch and coin the keeper then they can clearly afford to pay to come in along with their neatly groomed x-factor hairstyles, birds jeans and designer shirts paid for by affluent Bromley parents.
I was young once and a bit of a twat (some say still am) but smoke bombs, cans and coins being pelted on to the pitch is too much and that's before I mention the 'Ebola' song.
I wasn't privy to the scenes on Hayes Lane but word has it they took their miscreant ways unto the streets/buses as well.
Going forward club just needs to be mindful of a) bag searches at big game and b) pricing arrangements for big games. No free entry is my personal opinion.
League games is another thing where I think it's free (before whatever time) is fine, but then I strongly suspect a lot of those youths won't be back till the next big game.
Tonight:
The antics after the game that I witnessed, in particular, at the train station (wasn't at the end of the ground where they broke seats etc), this mob of fans need to leave or be banned. I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt any longer. The essential crux is it was half term they travelled in numbers, got pissed up...paid to get in as children and then showed no etiquette befitting non-league fans. The reality is they are privileged young men who watch premiership football think they're lads and then like the freedom non-league offers you to run amok, with no respect for non-league traditions.
I already said the club need to stop letting them in for free but one of them got seriously hurt today after the game and part of me feels like it was karma for their unnecessary antagonistic behaviour coming out of the ground and at the station. Picking fights with local members of the northfleet community was only going to end in real drama and predictably it did so. I'm pissed off not because the train was then delayed for 45 minutes due to mass police presence, statements etc but because only 1 person within their group (tall lad) seemed to have anything about him to realise that they needed to reign themselves in.
On the flip side I have also said it would take them getting a real slap (which one or some of them did today) to make them realise they aren't 'lads' just another set of pricks who need to know when to shut up. They have now tarnished the club and got us fined on 3 separate occasions this season and people want me to extend an olive branch to them and say they just need to be told to stop. No sorry, Ban them simple.
They aren't Bromley fans (the large majority) just some Palace fans who come along when they have some time on their hands. Club needs to make a decision do we want 'more' fans at any price or do we ban those who propagate violence in our name (they don't represent me and shouldn't be able to represent the club if they can't control themselves)
Whatever the decision the club needs to now realise that where we have big games home or away, these pricks are likely to turn up and cause us headache. Appropriate planning needs to be put in place...
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Post by pjw on Feb 18, 2015 8:48:17 GMT
I totally agree with the above, for the last few years the behaviour of these idiots has been bought up over and over again and we are getting a real reputation that does not fit well with the clubs "Family" image. No doubt will we be getting the usual posts by people down playing what the "HLF" are doing to our reputation like "Their young", "we were all young once" etc etc. The fact is they are pathetic little yobs who chance their arms at non league football fans who are not likely to react back, they are all real hard men when in a large group but would not say boo to a goose on their own. Where were they all on Saturday? should they be renamed "HLFBOWPAA" (Hayes lane fanatics but only when Palace are away". The end result will be the local Police having to have a permanent presence on match days, the bill of which runs into thousands of pounds, can we afford it, or do we want it? This can not be put off any longer the club must act now, its not hard, ID them on match days and ban them, its not like we play in front of 10'000 fans each week.
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Post by martinr on Feb 18, 2015 8:51:47 GMT
This was always on the cards and last night it appeared to boil over.
For me, the club needs to make a statement, firstly distancing themselves from these so called supporters and secondly reading the riot act of what is expected of a person following Bromley.
In the ground, their stewarding didnt help matters BUT these kids seriously need taking down a peg or two and are ultimately responsible for their own actions.
I confronted a couple prior to half time after one of them kicked my Dad (whos in his 70's). Granted it was an accident as he was just kicking out in anger and not "AT" my Dad, but when confronting him, asking he apologies and calms down. His response was to attempt to headbutt me and then i was surrounded by about 10 of these kids.
Second half, they ripped down advertising banners straight away, nothing said or done to them.
Pitch invasion after the goal - only one ejected!
Since getting home I have read how trains were delayed. Cars and house windows smashed in etc. Is this for real FFS. This is non league football, not Green Street! The longer they are allowed to get away with this the worse it will get.
I really hope this gets sorted soon as even though this element of "supporters" are relatively small, at present the whole club is being branded as hooligans!
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Post by MottinghamRaven on Feb 18, 2015 10:04:03 GMT
The little prick who ran across the tracks as the 10.06 came into the station needs an extra special mention... TWATS. No more benefit of the doubt. One of them got twatted and smashed up? Boo hoo - GOOD.
Just the wake up call they needed. You want to run around "acting" like boys, well guess what. In big boys games, sometimes you hurt. Sure you can cry to your Mummy & Daddy about it.
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Post by col on Feb 18, 2015 10:27:24 GMT
Time for the club to act, if people who actually pay to get in are talking about staying away then it's not good.
The majority when they turn up add some much needed atmosphere to games, but as is always the case with large groups there are some real numpties among them.
After the game it would appear one or two got a lesson in what happens when middle class kids from a nice town playing at being hoolies take the piss and actially run into the real deal.
I would strongly recommend the home game is segregated.
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Post by lynchmob on Feb 18, 2015 10:42:37 GMT
I can see it now, Ebbsfleet fans meeting up & wanting a revenge mission. Palace will probably be at home then it will be the regulars who will cop it. The wannabe Danny Dyers shouldn't be allowed to darken the door to Hayes Lane ever again!!
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Post by nomorehlf on Feb 18, 2015 10:59:06 GMT
There will be no more big groups, too many of us came last night which lead to the antics. About 10 of us actually come to support the club and we started of with about 15 of us which was when we did provide a good vocal support for the club but it has got out of hand. Being one of these 15 (ish) teens that actually love the club, and to have essentially formed the HLF with a few others I am sorry for all of our actions and will NOT happen again. Thank you denchy and Lee for putting up with us and the rest of the bromley fan base but no more as I'm sure most of you are glad to hear.
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Post by mikey2508 on Feb 18, 2015 10:59:53 GMT
Palace have no game on March 7th as it's FA Cup weekend. So I assume they will be in attendance. Let's see what the club does in trying to prevent these ugly scenes happening again. I personally would let them pay their money at the turnstile, then once all in would get security to round them up and show them the door within 5/10 mins. They might think twice if they are hit in the pocket and get to see no football for their troubles. Either that or security when seeing groups of boys (in 4's & 5's) aged between 16-18 all coming into together are turned away. Simple. End of story hopefully..
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Post by markc99 on Feb 18, 2015 11:01:47 GMT
Unfortunately the 7th March is FA Cup quarter finals weekend so currently Palace won't be playing.
The club need to put something in place prior to this game as I can see it getting out of hand if not.
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Post by martinr on Feb 18, 2015 11:15:49 GMT
Judging by the below article, I bet a few of the so called "hard lads" will be having a very VERY squeaky bum this morning. I hope the club and any supporters could assist Ebbsfleet in weeding these trouble makers out! www.ebbsfleetunited.co.uk/home/fleet-condemn-troublemakers And for the record, if that kid with the full on beard and ponytail wants to carry out the same threat to me on any other occasion than at a football match. I will welcome it with open arms! |
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Post by martinr on Feb 18, 2015 11:28:49 GMT
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Post by Swaine's Ginger Cat on Feb 18, 2015 11:32:48 GMT
Reading that article, for once I am supporting Ebbsfleet. Genuinely hope action is taken against the small minority who have ruined what should have been an amazing night for the club. Hopefully if action is taken via the police, those like the HLF poster above, will be able to carry on supporting the club without being tarnished by the actions of others who don't support the club, but just support having a laugh causing trouble & think they can get away with it easier at non-league grounds.
I don't agree with comments blaming the club though. How can the club be held responsible for people are are not associated with the club, causing trouble after a match? We've not seen most of these kids since the Dartford game anyway, & the club didn't sell them tickets for the match. These idiots should be dealt with by the police, simple as.
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Post by jamestanner on Feb 18, 2015 11:47:39 GMT
Judging by the below article, I bet a few of the so called "hard lads" will be having a very VERY squeaky bum this morning. I hope the club and any supporters could assist Ebbsfleet in weeding these trouble makers out! www.ebbsfleetunited.co.uk/home/fleet-condemn-troublemakers And for the record, if that kid with the full on beard and ponytail wants to carry out the same threat to me on any other occasion than at a football match. I will welcome it with open arms! Could I possibly ask you to elaborate on the threat made please? As I may know the individual. |
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Post by pjw on Feb 18, 2015 12:07:31 GMT
Swaines Ginger Cat
How can you say these idiots are not associated with the club, like it or not they are. They have been a growing problem for years and the club could have and should have stamped it out a long time ago. They are associated because they turn up at the club and have been allowed to shout, swear and threaten the opposition fans with no interference from the stewards, the joke being they don't even pay. Now they have ramped it up a few notches with last night being the result, hopefully Ebbsfleet will soon release the pictures of these yobs and then the club will have all the ammunition it needs to get rid of these pricks. The very least the club should do in the mean time is immediately rescind the policy of letting youths in free unless they are accompanied by a responsible adult.
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Post by bromleyvermin on Feb 18, 2015 12:23:23 GMT
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Post by devonraven on Feb 18, 2015 12:34:18 GMT
Was coming on here to write about, how big a win it was for us, and the great effort put in by the lads. But from what I saw read and heard this discussion takes priority at the moment. Agree with the majority of the above, this group have been given the benefit of the doubt too many times now. This is a group of middle class teens trying to be 'hard men' by bringing a dieing culture of football violence and hooliganism to the non league, where they think they can get away with it. The regulars are proud and passionate about the club, and this group is ruining that. They evidently don't care about the club, through their actions and the way they even abuse Bromley supporters when they try to step to stop them. Some form of action needs to be taken or we will be smeared further. To the previous HLF poster, I know there is a handful of you who are true Bromley fans, and all I can say is I hope your promise for no more big groups of idiots that tag along with you comes true. Apart from that mob it was great game, big win.
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Post by Swaine's Ginger Cat on Feb 18, 2015 12:48:25 GMT
PJW - I don’t really want to get in an argument as we all agree something needs doing now that they’ve taken things way too far. Sadly you might be right that the club will have to look at the admission policy again which is a real shame when on the whole it’s been a success. But I don’t see how Bromley FC can be at fault for these idiots after an away match; it’s simple criminal behaviour? They don’t support the club on a regular basis & what could the club have done to stop them going when they didn't sell them tickets? There were a few HLF at Whitehawk if memory serves me right, but they weren’t any trouble. I’ve been to Ebbsfleet before & been verbally abused by the small minority who stay behind that goal, it’s not nice & they were allowed to get away with it by their stewards, but the difference being that they didn’t feel the need to trash the ground & cars after the game.
What I don’t get is that I saw one of the idiots being hauled out of the group by security in the first half, yet he was still in the ground 2nd half. Why wasn’t he ejected completely?
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Post by bromleyvermin on Feb 18, 2015 12:51:36 GMT
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Post by wasky on Feb 18, 2015 13:29:47 GMT
Reading that article, for once I am supporting Ebbsfleet. Genuinely hope action is taken against the small minority who have ruined what should have been an amazing night for the club. Hopefully if action is taken via the police, those like the HLF poster above, will be able to carry on supporting the club without being tarnished by the actions of others who don't support the club, but just support having a laugh causing trouble & think they can get away with it easier at non-league grounds. I don't agree with comments blaming the club though. How can the club be held responsible for people are are not associated with the club, causing trouble after a match? We've not seen most of these kids since the Dartford game anyway, & the club didn't sell them tickets for the match. These idiots should be dealt with by the police, simple as. Is the chap that says this will not happen again a Bromley supporter, he sure sounds like one, along with all his followers.!!!!! He makes no mention of being a Palace supporter. Its a shame it has to be like this, as I said previously I am a neutral, and with 3 other mates travel around the local non league taking in games, sadly Bromley will be off our list. We are not youngsters, and cant afford to take a chance and get caught up in any trouble. |
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Post by sydneyxraven on Feb 18, 2015 13:33:57 GMT
It's such a shame that after one of the best results of the season, all attention is being directed towards a small group of idiots.
I really hope the club can take the appropriate action. Too much hard work over the recent months, with schools, in the community and locally to have it all ruined by a select few.
Good luck in finding the culprits and returning them back to Palace and Millwall.
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Post by bromley on Feb 18, 2015 13:34:54 GMT
All right, youve posted the same image 3 times now, you've made your point. |
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Post by Vic on Feb 18, 2015 13:52:23 GMT
The club are going through some growing pains at the moment, the biggest one being the element that is being attracted when the cub is doing well especially for big games. As far as I can see, It's an attempt to be a big fish in a little bowl instead of a little sPRAT in a big bowl. In the past it was always a cause for optimism when Palace were playing away because a few extra may turn up to watch, now it's more of a concern. The kids that do this stuff aren't Bromley supporters, they have no affection for the club and don't care about how their actions affect Bromley FC and their ambitions. If you give the local authorities enough ammunition in a borough like Bromley, they could make life very difficult when it comes to future plans. I've seen some of these kids at the odd home game and they behave in a provocative way and when mob handed are just as likely to have a go at a home supporter, as an away fan.
Could I suggest to the HLF that you dump the title and just turn up to the games as a group of regular Bromley supporters. One of the worries in a situation like this is that the innocent sometimes get tarred with the same brush, but in this case, if you hang out with mangey dogs you're gonna catch flees, and that would be a shame but that's you're problem.
To the poster of the photograph, great job, and I hope that there are more pictures being sent to the clubs involved and the police.
As other posts have said, do away with letting in under 16's for nothing, it makes no sense!!!
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Post by MottinghamRaven on Feb 18, 2015 15:04:04 GMT
The club are going through some growing pains at the moment, the biggest one being the element that is being attracted when the cub is doing well especially for big games. As far as I can see, It's an attempt to be a big fish in a little bowl instead of a little sPRAT in a big bowl. In the past it was always a cause for optimism when Palace were playing away because a few extra may turn up to watch, now it's more of a concern. The kids that do this stuff aren't Bromley supporters, they have no affection for the club and don't care about how their actions affect Bromley FC and their ambitions. If you give the local authorities enough ammunition in a borough like Bromley, they could make life very difficult when it comes to future plans. I've seen some of these kids at the odd home game and they behave in a provocative way and when mob handed are just as likely to have a go at a home supporter, as an away fan. Could I suggest to the HLF that you dump the title and just turn up to the games as a group of regular Bromley supporters. One of the worries in a situation like this is that the innocent sometimes get tarred with the same brush, but in this case, if you hang out with mangey dogs you're gonna catch flees, and that would be a shame but that's you're problem. To the poster of the photograph, great job, and I hope that there are more pictures being sent to the clubs involved and the police. As other posts have said, do away with letting in under 16's for nothing, it makes no sense!!! The Under 16's does make sense, if accompanied by a paying adult as it attracts families. On their own and get in free. No. |
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Post by wasky on Feb 18, 2015 15:54:15 GMT
Sorry but if I was a young family man looking to take my children to football, the last place having read, and seen all this, would be to take them to your ground. Would I have to look each week to see if Palace are playing, or Millwall, or Charlton. If your club new about this element for years, why has nothing been done about it. You seem to be blaming everybody else except yourselves, I know it is difficult, as you say, and I know, it is a small minority that bring this on your club. |
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Post by Mash on Feb 18, 2015 16:06:12 GMT
To be honest Wasky, I think you can tell by the large majority of the responses on here that a) the general club populus want them gone and they don't represent us and b) the club is intending to now do something about it. Yes it shouldn't have had to come to what it did last night for that to happen but that's what it has taken.
You stating the obvious and seemingly (in my opinion) lecturing us from your high horse does nothing to fix the situation either. No-one could have predicted last night until seeing the large number of goons at Sidcup station, the club wouldnt have know till minutes before kick off. I haven't seen a large group of them since Dartford at home in the cup. I understand some were banned after that - however there was nothing to suggest the club knew some of those twats would turn up last night.
Club now needs to act - I think that is clear and judging by the statement will work with the police and Ebbsfleet to do us.
Would you like us to also flagellate ourselves in the process?
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Post by sydneyxraven on Feb 18, 2015 16:53:44 GMT
"If your club new about this element for years" - I think that's a little bit unfair Wasky.
Effectively a small group, who occasionally appear out of the blue and seem to think they can act how they want as it's non-league.
It's a shame the incidents of last night happened, but hopefully via the correct channels we will now see the end of the trouble makers.
I think the overall experience at Bromley is very positive, a club that does a lot of good work in community and has many 'family days', as well as other positives.
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Post by CB on Feb 18, 2015 16:57:25 GMT
Well said, Mash.
I'm starting to find the moral indignation from the Fleet (who are of course angels) a tad wearying.
Some things got broken, boo hoo. The good people of Station Road had their Tuesday night viewing interrupted by drunken schoolboys on a rampage.
Try going to Basra, or Gaza, or Sloviansk if you want something legitimate to be outraged by. Or let the police do their business and stop haranguing entirely blameless supporters on their own forum.
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Post by MottinghamRaven on Feb 18, 2015 17:04:15 GMT
Sorry but if I was a young family man looking to take my children to football, the last place having read, and seen all this, would be to take them to your ground. Would I have to look each week to see if Palace are playing, or Millwall, or Charlton. If your club new about this element for years, why has nothing been done about it. You seem to be blaming everybody else except yourselves, I know it is difficult, as you say, and I know, it is a small minority that bring this on your club. I have to say Wasky, that I feel you are being a little over dramatic about all this to be honest. I'm not condoning last nights actions, but lets hope that level of idiocy was just a one off. |
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Post by wasky on Feb 18, 2015 17:20:12 GMT
Sorry but if I was a young family man looking to take my children to football, the last place having read, and seen all this, would be to take them to your ground. Would I have to look each week to see if Palace are playing, or Millwall, or Charlton. If your club new about this element for years, why has nothing been done about it. You seem to be blaming everybody else except yourselves, I know it is difficult, as you say, and I know, it is a small minority that bring this on your club. I have to say Wasky, that I feel you are being a little over dramatic about all this to be honest. I'm not condoning last nights actions, but lets hope that level of idiocy was just a one off. Really.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by sue on Feb 18, 2015 18:22:45 GMT
For those suggesting that BFC have not done enough regarding this large group I would like to point out a few things
1st - 2 from the picture above (the 1 in the middle in the white coat and the 1 with the pony tail) are banned by BFC from Hayes Lane.
2nd - Our stewards have also removed others that have been ID'd by some of our supporters as trouble makers from Hayes lane. (although it is hard at times to ID these as there is a stereotype look about alot of them.
3rd - BFC did pre warn Ebbsfleet that these Youngster were attending about 25 mins before kick off -
Our stewards who were at the game upon hearing from fans travelling on the trains that a large group of youth who were already behaving inappropriately were due to arrive at the ground they notified Ebbsfleet stewards, Ebbsfleets stewards decide that they would direct these to the "away" turnstiles and said they would search them before entry.
Ebbsfleet decided that it was better to allow them entry into the ground rather than turn them away as they feared that turning them away "could cause a riot" (quote from Ebbsfleet steward), whether they were searched or not I would not know but by the amounts of bottles/cans they still had on them I would suggest that this may not have been done with much care.
In hindsight perhaps if Ebbsfleet felt that this may have been an issue turning them away it may have been better to notify the local police at this point.
When the trouble started during the 1st half and it was clear that the very limited number of stewards in attendance were unable to cope our stewards (who i would like to point out were not working but on a night off) assisted the Ebbsfleet stewards in dealing with the youth.
Again in hindsight it was pretty clear at this point that their stewards had lost control of the situation and again perhaps Ebbsfleet should have called the police at this point for assistance, as them attending probably could have prevented the further incidents outside the ground!!
I would like to say of course hindsight is a wonderful thing!
Also perhaps the police wouldn't have been that interested in dealing with the issue as at the play off game when there was trouble in the 2nd half due to an Ebbsfleet fan trying to start trouble the local police attending informed us when we asked them to deal with it that they have no jurisdiction with in the ground!
Unfortunately there was little control of these youths and while plenty of us would have liked to have given them a slap and told them to do one, that can't be done as it would be us as adults who would end up nicked!
4 - Ashley has already come out and said that the club will do everything to assist and work with Ebbsfleet and the Kent police to ID these idiots.I would hope that if more photos exist like the 1 above that the club would take these into the local schools and ask for their help in IDing them etc. (Perhaps IDing maybe easier than we think as 1 of our bench is a teacher at a local school which rumours are some attend or have attended in the past.)
Final point is to Wasky - you say you and your friend go to various non-league games but after last night you won't come to Hayes Lane because of these "Youth" who clearly by now you must realise have no affiliation with the club apart from the may live in the borough, These youth have already shown they are happy to travel so you may want to avoid all non league games in and around south london as they may well turn up at other grounds after they get banned from BFC, because they will get banned.
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