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Post by gingerfooligan on Feb 19, 2015 11:18:37 GMT
Hi, (Edit* I've taken my first paragraph out as having had another read it of the board it was a little unfair and probably an incorrect point*) What happened last year was embarrassing for us and shouldn't of happened. But do you really think the two "fooligans" had any bearing on the massive group of kids who turned up hell bent on causing trouble, smashing seats, and eventually went on to put windows through this year? I will also correct you, without attempting to justify their behaviour, but for the record they weren't responding to a flag in their end but to a torrent of verbal abuse that came from Bromley fans in the first half. The events occurred in isolation, they are both twatish things but are barely comparable for the levels of wanton violence and destruction. As for the standing in the same end all game, this is very much a by product of the segregated conference days, when most games you went to you would inevitably spend the whole match in one half and the plough end has become where they stand throughout all games at home. No other club has had a problem with this, no other club has seen this as a good reason to then go on a rampage through the local area. If that presence of other teams fans is all it takes to antagonise a Bromley fan, then I would suggest there is a deeper seated problem with your fanbase then you think. Luckily I don't think this is the case, but at the same time I wouldn't go around trying to make us aware of facts when your "fans" are the only ones who have got the hump about it. On another note I will agree the stewarding let down the club some what, and the issue in the ground on Tuesday could of been resolved earlier. And top work for your security who resolved the issue on their behalf. And yes the police probably should of been rang (this is a lot of failing I know) but none of this excuses the fact that a group of fans who on paper represented your club decided to go off and create havoc outside of the ground. Regardless of the standard of stewarding this shouldn't be happening. You don't need to correct me, the guy was standing right in front of me when he looked at the flag shouting "What the f**k? That flag ain't staying there!" and for the rest of the 1st half was just shouting abuse. I'm not justifying the kids' actions on Tuesday - it was criminal damage and they should be punished for it. They took things too far in all senses of the word. There were some kids there from the 1st leg of the playoff game and the 2nd leg (where I believe some were followed home by people loosely (or otherwise) attached to Ebbsfleet. Word obviously had got out and attracted the idiots that appeared on Tuesday so, sorry mate, it did snowball from there. Most Bromley fans,including me, HAVE condemned it and are not antagonised so easily either but if people want to play the football hooligan there are always consequences to those actions. Those kids will no doubt find out all about that soon (arguably some had a brush with karma that same evening) and so should the wannabe hardmen in the Ebbsfleet crowd. PS I don't want to see them back either. |
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Post by leftred on Feb 19, 2015 12:06:19 GMT
I was stood between him (The bigger boned one as you put it) and your fans. I don't recall the taking down of the flag but will take your word it happened, but I do recall quite vile abuse aimed at him about his "big bonedness" for most the first half which is what successfully managed to rile him to the point where he (wrongly) deemed it acceptable to go round to the Bromley fans in the second half. Either way I was embarrassed by it then, and don't look at it as something he should be proud of.
But do you know for a fact that these kids turned up because of past events? Logically bearing in mind some are claiming that these fans have been a nuisance before, it's during a half-term with no palace game, It just doesn't make sense they just turned up on the basis that two Fleet fans were being knobs last time and a speculative rumour that someone got followed home (Which is the first I've heard about it, and will be probably the first all/many fleet fans have heard about this). Is it that that storey is slightly more palatable then one a group of kids with a week affiliation to club turned up with the sole intention of causing trouble at what was a big game for both clubs.
Both ugly events happened but it's more than likely in my opinion that there isn't a link between two.
I appreciate and respect most Bromley fans for there reaction after Tuesday, and I'm certainly not blaming them or your clubs for what happened. And I certainly don't believe this represents what you or any real Bromley fan wanted to happen. There's been many a sensible comment afterwards which has probably managed to calm a situation that could of become even more hostile. Hopefully Bromley are able to deal with the fans involved and resolve this once and for all. Hopefully before the return fixture.
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Post by bromley on Feb 19, 2015 12:30:39 GMT
Some of the Ebbsfleet lads came over and started on our fans in both legs of the play offs last season. Not to mention Preston Edwards antics at full time.
Should also be noted that stuff was thrown at Alan Julian and somebody outside northfleet station had a petrol bomb and some kind of saw/knife kind of weapon. I understand he was angry, but that's an illegal offence.
But we will leave that bit out as it goes against Ebbsfleet.
Not saying that what the lads did was right and I know it wasn't on the same scale in any way of what they did, don't get me wrong, but what I also don't find right is nearly nothing, if anything being said about Ebbsfleet, even though a TINY minority of their fans were in the wrong too.
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Post by bromleyid on Feb 19, 2015 13:55:22 GMT
I think it's time we stopped this little game of he said she said and all just accept that what went on was wholly unacceptable and hope that the culprits are found and dealt with accordingly! The time has come to now pull together and show all those that will take a particular interest in our clubs that we can move forward and put on spectacle of football for the return fixture where fans from both clubs can stand together and sing their merry hearts out!
#WeAreBromley
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Post by leftred on Feb 19, 2015 14:16:37 GMT
Some of the Ebbsfleet lads came over and started on our fans in both legs of the play offs last season. Not to mention Preston Edwards antics at full time. Should also be noted that stuff was thrown at Alan Julian and somebody outside northfleet station had a petrol bomb and some kind of saw/knife kind of weapon. I understand he was angry, but that's an illegal offence. But we will leave that bit out as it goes against Ebbsfleet. Not saying that what the lads did was right and I know it wasn't on the same scale in any way of what they did, don't get me wrong, but what I also don't find right is nearly nothing, if anything being said about Ebbsfleet, even though a TINY minority of their fans were in the wrong too. It's easy to try to force this into a partisan issue as way to deflect attention away from your club and that's fine. I've tried to avoid viewing this from the argument of taking side or holding the belief my club is infallible, but I can see why it would come across as otherwise, and by adding the below I'm probably not help that image. But I think it needs to be said that you can't use the incidents last year as any form of cover/justification for the bellends who decided it was acceptable to kick off this week. They are completely incomparable. But... In regards to the points above, having been at both legs I only observed the first incident mentioned and put my opinion as to what I saw and why it happened, I also stated it was wrong and embarrassing for us fans. I know the person and I also told him this at the time it was embarrassing. I've also agreed with points made elsewhere that our stewarding left a lot to be desired at times on Tuesday and if it hadn't of been for your officials then it could of been a lot worse. For that I certainly applaud your real fans. In regard to the second leg I wasn't aware of anything happening and the first I've heard is speculation about someone possibly being followed home, it's a bit of a vague accusations that from a fleet perspective has only just appear after Tuesday's events. You can probably see the reason why I would be sceptical on the 2nd leg stuff. The only reference to something being thrown at Julian that I saw was from a Dover fan who subsequently deleted his tweet. Every other reference I've seen since then has been on Twitter off the back of that. It may of happened, it may not off, but as far as I know, where that rumour started from isn't going to know if it happened or not either and isn't exactly trustworthy in terms of citation. If you've got evidence or witnesses then it hope you have spoken to our club to deal with this, as it's piss poor form... but I personally don't believe it happened. I also wouldn't believe it happened if the same accusation was being thrown at Bromley with the same "proof" being used to back it up. I'm intrigued as to the Preston stuff, I've got a vague recollection of something happening before but can't remember what exactly. That would explain your fans less than warm reception when he first came out the tunnel on Tuesday though. I hope they do arrest the man with sword and home-made petrol bomb as it's illegal and fairly safe to say based on reports deffo did happen. It was the wrong response from that individual, but I could only understand that being laid at the door of Ebbsfleet if it happened in the ground or was an offence committed by an Ebbsfleet fan, but it wasn't it was a local resident who somehow got his hand on some petrol. Really when you weigh what we've done wrong as a club, and compare it to the wannabe "Fans" on Tuesday, I would hope most genuine fans would understand our indignations as to attempts to try and draw parallels and comparisons. I'm not saying that we have had perfect past but to try a deflect criticism back on to us for this, is really ridiculous. |
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Post by leftred on Feb 19, 2015 14:20:17 GMT
I think it's time we stopped this little game of he said she said and all just accept that what went on was wholly unacceptable and hope that the culprits are found and dealt with accordingly! The time has come to now pull together and show all those that will take a particular interest in our clubs that we can move forward and put on spectacle of football for the return fixture where fans from both clubs can stand together and sing their merry hearts out! #WeAreBromley Sorry. I've just read this. I was midway through writing my post when you must of posted this so didn't get a chance to read it before hitting the send button, but having now read your post it has left mine looking a little pathetic. You are right indeed. and I will comment no more on the issue. I will say well done for you win, i hope you have an idiot free season for the rest of it. |
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Post by bromley on Feb 19, 2015 14:28:01 GMT
That's fine but I'm not trying to turn this on Ebbsfleet I'm just saying it's not fair that only what Bromley did is being mentioned!!
Even the headline of the news shopper article makes it look like a Bromley fan had the petrol bomb!
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Post by leftred on Feb 19, 2015 14:57:36 GMT
That's fine but I'm not trying to turn this on Ebbsfleet I'm just saying it's not fair that only what Bromley did is being mentioned!! Even the headline of the news shopper article makes it look like a Bromley fan had the petrol bomb! I think 99% of all Fleet fans know that those fans aren't representative of a typical Bromley fan and have faith that Bromley will make sure that those responsible are dealt with. As I said I wont' post no more on the topic and hope the game in a few weeks is a cracker on the field not off it. |
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Post by Swaine's Ginger Cat on Feb 19, 2015 15:51:42 GMT
I assume that the club will now have to spend more on security & maybe police too for the home game, & fans may have to put up with segregation as a result & not be able to sit or stand where we like to. It might be nice if the idiots concerned actually appreciate the knock on effects of what they did in time, hassle & cost & that's assuming no fines or deductions come our way. Even if they're not identified & punished, maybe just realise the effects of their fun night out for everyone else who follows both clubs. But somewhow I doubt they will.....
Leftred - like you I can't remember exactly what happened with Preston last time. He was almost certainly provoked (as is normal) but I'm pretty sure he reacted in a none too pleasant way, rather than rise above & let his keeping do the talking, or like some keepers, have a bit of humour so the fans generally have a laugh back.
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Post by mikeyh on Feb 20, 2015 19:04:37 GMT
Bromley clearly have work to do to sort this situation out ,dont know how long the u16 free deal can continue which would be a shame for the kids that are genuine fans but the club has to be do something . I think Ebbsfleet might need to think about segregating big games as they have fans who want to stay at seated end whole game & others who want to go behind goal they are attacking, i was going to stay on open terrace 1st half until i saw fleet fans come behind goal & heard Bromley songs from seats . To me it didnt seem much different to play off 1st leg verbal abuse back & forth a bit of pushing etc ,except this time didnt get beer thrown at me .Think the game on 7th will either be segregated or self segregated like Dartford cup game ,hope people are only talking about the game afterwards .Thought our deffence was outstanding when Fleet went route one ,Prestedge probably had his best game yet . Cook & May both did well on what might have been a difficult game for them .
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Post by denchy on Feb 20, 2015 19:50:37 GMT
I am one off the bromley stewards who helped thanks for the praise much appreciated
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